Girl who cries while urinating stumps doctors

By MyHealthNewsDaily staff
MyHealthNewsDaily 

A little girl in England seemed perfectly fine except for one thing: her eyes welled up with tears every time she peed.

In fact, a rare situation in which the eyes produce tears when a person passes urine may be more common than thought. Because it's painless, and perhaps more of an inconvenience than anything else, people may be unlikely to seek medical help for it, researchers in England who dealt with the little girl's case reported today (Feb. 13).

The cause of the condition may lie in the brain or in the facial nerves, according to the report. Both the production of tears and the passing of urine are under the control of a brain region called the pons.

The report is published online in the journal Pediatrics.

The 3-year-old girl was brought to doctors in November 2009, because of "watering of her eyes every time she passed urine," according to the report. When it happened, her jaw would drop and her expression would become vacant, although she remained conscious and was not in any pain, wrote the researchers from University College London Hospital, and Conquest Hospital in Hastings.

The problem began when the girl was just weeks old. An ultrasound of her kidneys revealed nothing abnormal, and there were no signs of dry eyes or of any other medical problem.

The researchers searched the medical literature, and found only one other formal report of a similar case, from 1932. In that case, a young man who was a medical student reported a "copious flow of tears during defecation and urination."

The man kept track of his symptoms for 94 days, according to that report by a researcher at the University of Louisville in Kentucky, and the problem was fixed by a dose of atropine, a drug that lowers the activity of certain nerves, and can also be used to dilate the pupils of the eyes.  

Looking for more information, the researchers in England turned to health websites, and found more cases. A search of online discussion groups revealed 35 people who described having the problem of tear production during painless urination. Slightly more than half were female, and three described having a close relative with similar symptoms.

None of the people had sought medical advice, saying that the tears, while inconvenient and embarrassing, weren't a significant medical problem, according to the report.

A clue from crocodile tears?
In their search for an explanation, the researchers looked at what happens when someone cries "crocodile tears." Though the term has more recently been applied to insincere or fake crying, the original description of crocodile tear syndrome was based on people who would cry while eating or drinking, due to either a facial injury or a condition called Bell's palsy.

In those cases, nerves that regrow after an injury or disease may be misdirected toward the lacrimal gland, which produces tears, according to the report. There are also cases of crocodile tear syndrome occurring from birth, and these cases may be due to the nerves crossing over during embryonic development, the researchers wrote.

If such an abnormal nerve connection could cause a person to produce tears while eating or drinking, a similar process could cause a person to produce tears when they urinate, according to the report.

However, this would not explain the little girl's vacant expression, or her jaw dropping when the crying happens, according to the report. For now, those symptoms remain a mystery.   

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copious flow of dears?! Really MSNBC?

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Reply#1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:28 PM EST

Really MSNBC? Great, now there will be "Crying while peeing" porn/fetish sites now.... Sick!

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#1.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:57 PM EST

It could have been worse. For a split second I thought it said "copious flow of deers".

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#1.2 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:02 PM EST

Maybe peeing reminds her of the upcoming presidential race here in the US.

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#1.3 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:07 PM EST
Comment author avatarsomedude-506636Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Yeah she's freaking out about what if obozo gets re-elected ..

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#1.4 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:44 PM EST

I dated a girl in College who cried during sex.. Very bizarre, at first I liked it but it didn't take long before it was to weird..

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#1.5 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:50 PM EST

Once again sensational headline does not fit the actual story, MSNBC. You guys need to learn the difference between "crocodile tears" and actual "crying". When your eyes run when you have an allergy attack, do you say "the allergy made me cry"?????

    #1.6 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:56 PM EST

    kevin,

    was it just you maybe? :)

    • 6 votes
    #1.7 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:47 PM EST

    kevinoffsite....I think you may have been doing it wrong............

    • 6 votes
    #1.8 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:50 PM EST

    Way to hide the real news MSNBC

    • 1 vote
    #1.9 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:56 PM EST

    When I drink beer...I also cry when I pee

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    #1.10 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST
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    This happens to me when I have to hold it in too long.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#2 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:30 PM EST

    It's my potty and I'll cry if I want to.

    • 40 votes
    Reply#3 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:36 PM EST

    Good one old timer.

    • 1 vote
    #3.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:55 PM EST
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    My wife's eyes tear up if she enters the bathroom too soon after I defecate. Bizarre.

    • 24 votes
    Reply#4 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:37 PM EST

    Hysterical!

      #4.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:50 PM EST
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      This is gross...

        Reply#5 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:38 PM EST

        Why is it gross? Everybody pees.

        • 2 votes
        #5.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:03 PM EST

        I guess the real question here is, how do squids pee?

        • 4 votes
        #5.2 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:09 PM EST

        She is just pissing and moaning, they all do that.............

        • 4 votes
        #5.3 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:51 PM EST
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        This happens to my wife when she sees me neked! The Joy! Just never understand why no smile!

        • 4 votes
        Reply#6 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:41 PM EST

        Just a guess, but maybe you should keep your clothes on when in your cell, and I don't think your cell mate appreciate it when you call him wifey.

        • 3 votes
        #6.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:11 PM EST

        What cell??

          #6.2 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:57 PM EST
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          Sometimes I laugh so hard tears run down my leg.

          • 14 votes
          Reply#7 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:49 PM EST

          that sucks, poor little girl

            Reply#8 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:00 PM EST

            Sometimes my eyes tear up while urinating for no obvious reason.
            It may be odd, but certainly nothing to worry about.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#9 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:00 PM EST

            You urinate for no obvious reason? It's called incontinence, my friend, and you should really see a urologist - or at least a remedial English teacher. . .

            • 4 votes
            #9.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:10 PM EST
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            If I had this condition, it would be the least of my health problems.

            • 7 votes
            Reply#10 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:00 PM EST

            hahahahaaahah

              Reply#11 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:11 PM EST

              exactly!

                #11.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:05 PM EST
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                I just want to get clarification. Does she sob uncontrollably when she pees or do her eyes water?

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                Reply#12 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:28 PM EST

                My question too - I think since her face goes slack though probably just the latter.

                  #12.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:23 PM EST
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                  I have the same reaction when I stand on the scale. ;_;

                  • 9 votes
                  Reply#13 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:29 PM EST

                  I cry when I pay my taxes. Is that the same? LOL

                  • 8 votes
                  Reply#14 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:34 PM EST

                  Ditto. I cry when I pi$$ my money away too!!

                  • 5 votes
                  #14.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:34 PM EST
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                  The answer is quite simple. This is a ponsi scheme. The brain's pons has conned the patient into thinking she is losing a part of herself. She will grow out of it. don't worry. Be happy.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#15 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:14 PM EST

                  In related news, a man was reported moaning while e jac u lating

                  • 4 votes
                  Reply#16 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:17 PM EST

                  comment of the year, and hopefully the last one you post. I guess you don't get to speak very often.

                    #16.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:53 PM EST
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                    I've had a few bowel movements that moved me to tears.. or is that tears... they hurt....

                      Reply#17 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:43 PM EST

                      Maybe it hurts...

                        Reply#18 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:05 PM EST

                        Boo-hoo-hoo I got to take a leak!

                          Reply#19 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:14 PM EST

                          My daughters and I experience the same thing. My co-workers used to jokingly say "I have to go cry" whenever they needed to go to the bathroom. Never worried about it, though; just a weird bodily quirk. Except when I'm in a business meeting and I really have to pee...

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                          Reply#20 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:27 PM EST

                          watering of her eyes every time she passed urine," according to the report. When it happened, her jaw would drop and her expression would become vacant

                          That would have me worried sick if I saw one of my kids do this and didn't know what was going on!

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                          Reply#21 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:47 PM EST

                          LOL I've done this all my life. Never even thought of it as an issue, never-the-less thought of telling a doctor about it.

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#22 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:47 PM EST

                          Shes a chick! they cry at the drop of a pee!

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#23 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:51 PM EST

                          uhhhh....how many more bs stories will there be? I fart when I pee...anybody want to write a story about THAT. Hell...I fart in my sleep and make the family go to the lower level of the house!!! Where is the MEDIA?

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#24 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:33 PM EST

                          Since you live in wisconsin, how could they smell your farts from the dairy air?

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                          #24.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:55 PM EST

                          Once when in the Army I used to cry when I peed, but they gave me a shot for that..........

                            #24.2 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:53 PM EST

                            And he lives in a 1 story ranch !

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                            #24.3 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:53 PM EST

                            .

                              #24.4 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:21 PM EST
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                              Goddamn grammar nazis.

                                Reply#25 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:26 PM EST

                                They are merely pointing out that just because it is easy to put your words out there, doesn't mean it is alright to become an ignorant child again, forgetting (they and you probably never learned in the first place) everything you were supposed to use to properly communicate in the English language.

                                  #25.1 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:48 AM EST

                                  This is a community discussion board, not an academic forum. Being a stickler for proper grammar just makes you come off as an as*hole unless there was genuine difficulty in understanding what someone else had to say. The vast majority of the grammar nazis on this forum, and I'm including you in that group, delight in pointing out others' errors to buttress your fragile self-esteem. It's pathetic, and I will not stand for it. You'll have to fix your fragile egos somewhere else.

                                  Some of the people posting on this forum may not have graduated high school, but it doesn't mean their opinions are irrelevant and no one should have to be side-tracked by irreverent imbeciles like yourself with your self-important, unsolicited, grammar policing.

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                                  #25.2 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:26 AM EST

                                  It is always kind of douchey when some grammar nazis you, but in the case I saw on here I hope everyone paid attention. Sentence structure is important and the way the poster structured his/her sentence read as if he/she urinates for no reason instead of cries for no reason while urinating. Grammar is supposed to help others understand what you're communicating.

                                    #25.3 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:53 AM EST
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