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We're going to guess many poor decisions were made that night.
It’s a trap that most of us have fallen into: making a rash or regrettable decision after a few cold Coors Lights. Blame it on the booze, right? A new study out of the University of Missouri College of Arts and Sciences sheds light on how the brain processes mistakes in the presence of alcohol.
In a finding that runs contrary to previous thinking, it turns out we still know we are making mistakes when intoxicated. We just don’t care as much.
“I suppose the main implication is that people shouldn’t assume ‘I was drunk’ is a good excuse for doing things one knows he or she shouldn’t be doing,” wrote the study’s author, Dr. Bruce Bartholow of the University of Missouri, in an e-mail. The study will be published in the Journal of Abnormal Psychology.
“It’s not as though people do drunken things because they’re not aware of their behavior, but rather they seem to be less bothered by the implications or consequences of their behavior than they normally would be,” Bartholow added.
Bartholow set out to bring clarity to an area of ambiguity in brain research: Does the strength of the ERN – the error-related negativity “alarm signal” set off in the brain by mistakes – change with the presence of alcohol? Research out of the Netherlands in 2002 had concluded that intoxication reduced the brain’s capacity to detect errors.
However, Bartholow’s study challenged that assumption by asking if it’s possible that the ability to detect errors actually remained the same – but alcohol changed the brain’s reaction to those errors.
“I wondered whether alcohol's effects on error processing were less about reducing awareness of errors and more about reducing the distress that normally accompanies errors,” Bartholow said.
In the study, a group of 67 people aged 21-35 were split into three groups. While two of the three groups received a placebo alcohol (10-proof vodka-tonics), or just plain tonic, the third (lucky?) group received alcoholic beverages -- 100-proof vodka-tonics. The participants in the alcohol group got to a blood-alcohol level of about .09 percent -- just over the legal driving limit. The other two groups remained at a .00 percent blood-alcohol level throughout the study. All participants were then tasked with completing a challenging computer task.
Bartholow’s team noted that while all the groups made mistakes, those which had consumed alcohol were less likely to notice their errors. The alcohol drinkers were also less likely to slow down after an error.
However, in addition to monitoring their performance on the computer, participants also measured the subjects’ mood.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, the alcohol group reported feeling less negative. (Hilariously, the group which received the placebo had a more negative mood.) Using these measurements, Bartholow’s team was able to demonstrate a correlation between the mood of the participants and the strength of the ERN. A less negative mood equaled a less severe ERN.
For the study author, the findings represent an important step in understanding how alcohol affects the brain – and the mistakes made by people who have had a couple brew-dogs. Further avenues of research could include testing whether drunk people can be sufficiently motivated to care about their mistakes (and if so, would their brain responses be similar to those of sober individuals).
Another possible avenue Bartholow is pursuing is testing whether the error-related brain activity differences observed in the study will produce changes in other parts of the brain as people attempt to correct their mistakes. In what promises to be endless entertainment for the research assistants, Bartholow is pursuing the use of an fMRI (functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging – or scans that measure brain activity) machine to take measurements of the study participants.
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It is still the alcohol.
It is still the alcohol.... EXACTLY!!!
After extensive research on my part over 30 years, I concur it's the alcohol.
I was drunk is by far the most infuriating excuse from people I hear. It's just another way for people in this country to avoid taking responsibility. If you beat the @!$%# out of your wife, girlfriend, or some guy at a bar, if you say something hurtful to someone or cheat on a girlfriend or wife you don't get to blame alcohol on that. That's a bull@!$%# excuse so someone doesn't have to take responsibility for doing something and actually risk having to say "sorry" or "i was a deusch bag." It is the EXACT same thing as a guy who says, after he rapes a girl, it was her fault for looking like a slut. In the case of cheating, alcohol is no excuse. Somewhere in the time it takes to take your pants off and put your dick inside somebody or allow someone to put your dick inside you you have the opportunity to say (drunk or not) "NO WE SHOULDNT DO THIS I HAVE A WIFE, GIRLFRIEND OR FAMILY I DON'T WANT TO DESTROY." Stop blaming things on alcohol and try being an adult and taking responsibility for your actions.
I've made a couple of spectacularly bad decisions after drinking (fortunately, survived them!) and was perfectly aware that it was a stupid thing to do. I simply didn't care. Alcohol definitely affects your reaction to that bad decision.
(Worst was the night I knew perfectly well I was waaaaaay too drunk to drive, but dagnabbit, I wanted to go home! So, I just decided to 'be careful' and drove that 7 miles anyway. Thank whatever deity you choose - or not - I made without any damage to anyone else or myself. Never ever again!!)
Is our society attempting to "reinvent" responsibility for ones own actions?
Apparently this wasn't an equally divided group since it would be groups of 22.33333....
This isn't a large enough group of people. Different personalities will play a part in how they act/react. This study assumes that all drinkers act the same and from experience on both sides of the bar this is just not true. There are happy drunks, mean drunks, stupid drunks etc......
What I know from my own extensive studies is, I have had occasion to wake up in the morning wondering what this thing was sleeping next to me. IT WAS THE ALCOHOL because no way in hell I would have suggested doing anything with this person sober.
Stay thirsty my friends.
"I blacked out" is a much better excuse than saying "I was drunk".
excuse my ex-husband used to use! Ha- probably still does!
My wife quit buying "I was drunk" years ago...
I've been saying for 30 years that drugs (all of them) do NOT hamper your ability to tell right from wrong - not even LSD and/or mushrooms. Some people are just bad, PERIOD. They did exactly what they always wanted to do sober but were just barely smart enough to stop them selves when sober - because they know that is what is expected of them. Once they find that excuse that (in their mind) allows them to think it is okay - then that is all they need.
The article states that we as a whole accepted the stupid bad people in the past - as being the normal actions of a drunk/high person. That actually isn't true - it is just those who are prone to bad decisions, forced their will on the rest of us. Look at school, College is a horrid place for young adults because they are programed to think in a gang mentality - it's called being cool. Being cool can kill you.
You can do this test without drugs - the gang mentality that is so prevalent today really comes out when there is a fight. Look at how many people flock to watch the fight, then look to see how many are willing to step in and break it up. We know fighting is bad and can cause death - so why would you allow such an action to take place.
It is only when things go wrong that we start blaming out side (or ingested) things for our actions. When I used to drink I'd drive 10 mph below the speed limit - because the safety of others and myself is/was ALWAYS the top priority. If you speed when driving drunk - it's because it thrills you to be unsafe. Again; you don't have to be high on anything to act recklessly - that is your choice - thankfully most thrill seekers do their acts in a place that won't harm others.
There is always going to be those who push the limits - there will always be followers - and there will always be consequences. Choices are yours and yours alone. If you are one of the followers and you get hurt or hurt others; tell the judge that it was outside influences that MADE you do what you did - see where that gets you.
The ALL mentality is getting far to acceptable in society - look at the anger at this forum - every day I read; the left is this and the right is that. If you buy that EVERY person who supports certain things, is exactly like every one who supports that thing - then you need to turn off the TV, computer, and stop taking the newspaper - cuz you are weak and just looking for excuses for your actions and thoughts.
You can thank the reckless for the drug testing we have today - grow up and take your punishment like an adult - I only did it cuz I was drunk are the actions of a child. I bet you blame your brother for all the rest of your problems...lol.
I forgot to address one of my favorite parts of this subject - I'm addressing you Born Againers; there are no do overs in life. We have so many born againers because they can't take their punishment for their actions like an adult. Rather than admit they screwed up, they resort to the boogie man made me do it. Trust us you born againers - you never were perfect and being born again didn't suddenly make you perfect now.
Draino
Where did you get you Psychology degree?
The only lack of judgement that occurs with using alcohol is when to quit drinking, that's why they sell it by the can, by the six pack, twelve pack, case, etc., just buy the correct amount for the occassion.
I would never take It was because I was drunk as an excuse. People have lower inhibitions when they are drunk but at the same time you make the choicce ultimatly on your own if you are going to do something stupid or not. I have had many stupid moments that I regreted but at the time I was doing it I would always say Im going to regret this in the morning but still did it cause I could care less!! Drunk=Not an Excuse!!
Where do I sign up to take part in these studies, and can we have wine instead???
It takes a researcher this long to confirm what everyone already knows - that alcohol is a disinhibitor for what is already there, not an excuse or cause of bad behaviors that the alcohol somehow synthesized? Please. If a person can't handle more than a single drink before they begin to lose control of their executive functions, then they ought not drink any more in any situation that requires said functions to be operational.
This study has about as much academic worth as a researcher saying the sun rises and sets because the earth rotates, but now they are "just really sure about it".
And we wonder why "higher" education costs so much when we pay people to publish the obvious. The researcher probably got a federal grant on top of it.
I suppose the only redeeming part of the research is that it might go towards showing people the need to be responsible for, and held accountable to, their choices.
S. Savage- Yeah right? This is not new news. People have been knowing this forever. It's common sense.
S. Savage,
Even if "everyone already knows" does not make any particular subject true. This study helps to confirm the popular belief that alcohol is a disinhibitor (reduces inhibitions). I agree with you, that bad behaviors are not directly caused by alcohol and that alcohol consumption is not a valid excuse for bad behavior. I have long contended that the easiest way to determine whether a person is really a good person, is to get them drunk. If they are a happy agreeable drunk, they are basically a good person. The mean angry violent drunk is basically a mean angry violent person who without alcohol can control their behavior. Those people should never drink.
To an observer lacking in modern knowledge, it is not obvious how the sun rises and sets. Until a few hundred years ago, the concept of a spherical earth was not widely believed.
I agree, who paid for this and why? Ask any person who as been on the other side of an absive spouse, (male or female) and almost all of them will tell you that it's worse when said spouse has been drinking...why? because alcohol lowers the restraints until there are none...
This is not a news worthy study...which is why it is probably here, no legitimate science journal would be bothered printing it.
Who paid for this? Most likely us taxpayers.
I don't buy this "I was drunk" for an excuse. If you can't control your actions when you drink, then you shouldn't drink. Period.
Well, I think that difference between not being able to determine whether something is a bad decision and not caring is a moot point. The case is whether the same person would do the same while not intoxicated.
Caring about the result of your actions and the repercussions is definitely part of the decision process. If it were not then fines or jail time would not ever be a deterrent.
What this does show, however, is that you cannot plead in a court that you were drunk and therefore unable to make a determination. I believe there is room to argue that the impaired judgement resulting from the decrease in inhibitions is a result of the alcohol and therefore the reason for the actions to have been taken.
We cannot as a society allow this to be an excuse since it would lead to people thinking all they needed to do was drink and then they would be free to do anything.
BRAVO! S. Savage!
BRAVO!
I feel like this is kind of common sense. Last time I had more drinks doled out to me than is typically considered prudent, I walked to Wal-Mart to buy a bucket of Legos. Why? Because I wanted to play with Legos. I was fully aware of the consequences of my Lego splurge: I would need to eat cheaply (read: Ramen noodles) the following week. But did I care? No. I wanted to play with Legos, dammit.
Grammatik,
You young kid. When I was I child, there were no Legos. I had American Bricks. (I still do.) The most common behavior of college students when they have too much to drink, is to just have more. This frequently leads to a form of praying before a porcelain altar.
I will be sending a link to this article to a few old and some former friends demanding an apology.
I've often said; you are who you are and blaming being drunk or buzzed or anything else is not owning up to it.
Drinking isn't an excuse for anything... if you're an a-hole before drinking, your inhibitions drop and you become more of one. Screwing around with someone? Wanted to anyways, but again inhibitions may drop but it's something you wanted.
Of all the people I've known that drink and try to blame their behaviors on the booze, I've seen the signs of whatever behavior when they're not drinking. For some, I think it's a known scapegoat as it's worked at their homes to get them out of trouble.....'well, I wouldn't have but was drinking...'.
I enjoy my drink very much so, but have always said that it'll never be an excuse for anything I do.. rest assured, if I did it while drinking, I wanted to or would have anyways.
Don't blame the buzz and don't give partying a bad name!
I have to agree with you on your points Moderation...
However, I know a lot of folks, and I have myself, have a bit of regret "the next day" for saying or acting upon those things that we would want to do sober.
Booze is a bitch, and will mess with your head. It is up to the individual to make certain right, or correct decisions under its influence.
If it is in ones demeanor to act out those things that you harbor on a normal basis, then stay away from any mind altering devices.
Part of making good decisions is considering the consequences of an action. If alcohol makes you care less about consequences or inhibits your ability to foresee them, then the alcohol is still affecting your decision to or not to do something.
However you still cant blame alcohol for you doing something stupid because you had a choice before you started drinking in the first place. One of the consequences of drinking too much is poor decision making so by choosing to drink you are accepting the possibility that you may do something stupid.
burp's
I still like my beer-goggles no matter what these people say.
An old saying goes: "Alcohol never changes anybody...it unmasks them."
A poster in a local pub window:
"Beer: helping ugly people have sex since 1142."
And then of course, this from Homer Simpson:
"Beer: the cause of, and solution to, all our problems."
I had a patient come in first thing on a Monday morning with a prescription for the morning after pill.
She was wearing sunglasses, and she was visibly upset.
I kicked her prescription to the front of the line, and I pulled her to a private area for counseling.
After telling her how to take the pills and asking her if she had any questions, she simply said "God damn Budweiser".
I tried to wait to laugh until after she had left.
After getting so tired of listening to drunks cry in thier beer, I vowed to always be a happy drunk. It really works! I don't get it, if drinking makes someone so unhappy or mean, why do they drink at all?
How do you give placebo instead of alcoholic beverages and expect the test subjects to not notice?
There have been plenty of studies where test subjects were given alcohol-free beer or wine, but told it was alcoholic, and the subjects still managed to get "drunk".
I wonder at the strength of the drinks listed in the article. "10 proof" would be 5% ABV (if that was the net strength), about like that of beer; how could those subjects stay completely sober? More than 2 drinks each would have to register some blood alcohol level. As for the "100 proof" drinks -- do they mean made with 100 proof vodka or a net strenght of 100 proof. The first would be possible, though most vodkas are 80 proof. The latter would require pure alcohol (190, not 200 proof) mixed almost 1 to 1 with the tomato juice; such a drink would be extremely harsh to drink. I think the authors misread the figures in the report.
Actually Art people have been known to become as intoxicated on water. They behave just as if they were drunk.
so much easier, cleaner, no worry of hangovers, no getting sick and no bad decisions...just to SMOKE WEED!!!! non toxic to!
Touche! Sweet Post!
Yeah, but choosing between a Twinkie and a Ding Dong - a bad decision could definitely be made there.
agreed! marijuana > alcohol
more people need to think like you :)
You may think that someking weed is not toxic, but consider that the foremost defender of legalizing weed was the scientist who discovered dna testing. Durning the OJ Simpson trial they considered calling him to the witness stand, but his brain was so far gone they couldn't predict what he might say. Also it is a scientific fact that weed messes up chromosomes so your children might have something like autism or learning problems or even physical problems. Only 1% of mutations are visible. The rest are internal. I expect that the recent rise in autism and other learning problems are directly related to weed using parents. Women have all their eggs at risk every day of their lives, so it could happen.
sandraboynton
- post links proving your claims from credible sources.
poo.
"Regrettable decision after a few cold Coors Lights" - the only thing I've done after a few Coor's Lights is take a long piss, it's whiskey that will cause you regrettable decisions lol.
Or my old fav Vodka!
The only things I've done after having a few Coor's Lights is ask for a better beer.
Vodka is the favorite, the higher the shelf the better.
Who cares?? I love beer!!
Drinking Coors anything is the first mistake.
I like how that was the first comment on the board, and the mods deleted it.
I wonder why? I'll say it again: MACROBREWS ARE SH!T. Support good and local microbrews! They are where the good tasting beers are.
Microbrews are great but for a couple problems, about three times the price and four times heavier. People like commercial lagers because they are light in taste and consistency. They are also convenient for people who drink with the only purpose being to catch a buzz.
I have met a lot of people that drank beer even though they hated it. Never could figure that one out with all the other options available.
Maybe it is just because I live in Oregon, if I go out I will spend $5.95 on a Micro. A Bud is $4.95.
There are lighter micro's, just ask around. I picked up a dozen Session's for $11.95. Great tasting Lager from Full Sail Brewing.
I has long been a prooven fact that the first thing alchol affects are your inhibitions. And inhibitions are a big part of what keeps us in line to do the right thing and make the right decisions.
Funny. It seems you were intoxicated posting that, considering you couldn't spell half the words correctly.
Alcohol "inhibits" people from spelling correctly. Or is that lack of education? Or inability to type? Or having a temperamental "O" and "T" on their keyboard.
Ah to hell with it, I need a drink.
Not exactly. When people like Mel Gibson get caught making racist statement while drunk, their excuse is, "It was the alcohol, I don't really believe those things." Their excuse is that alcohol makes you say and do things that go against your core beliefs. What this study is saying is that when you are drunk you will say things you really feel and know you shouldn't say, you just don't care. Slight but significant difference.
this is nothing new...we all know this...
I guess this just scientifically proves what we already know. "I was drunk" is not and has never been a GOOD excuse. A reason for acting like a total fool, yes. But not an excuse.
Most of the people who become "out of control" wether happy (ie... talking alot or angry beligerant) are alcoholics and shouldn't have the first drink, because control is not going to happen with them. I say this as a recovering alcoholic with no DUI's no arrests for domestic disturbenses, just plenty of hangovers and regret. It's not just what happens when you drink. When I wasn't drinking I was probably more of an ahole than when I was. The ole saying, restless, irritable and discontent applied to me when I was sober.
Well, whatever. One thing I know as fact and not theory is that since I quit drinking alcohol 35 years ago I have made virtually no remorseful decisions. Mistakes? A few. But none of those stupid, idiotic, brainless adventures I embarked on years back while under the influence. And viewing from the sidelines these past 35 years, I have seen my share of others doing what they'd regret when sober. That part never ends.
Picard congrats on 35 yrs. I'll have 1yr on Sat. Best life decision I ever made. Stay well my friend.
Congratulations, guys!
Picard, Earl Grey is your drink of choice these days, isn't it?
My dad finally quit after watching his best friend die of sclerosis of the liver at the age of 37. That was about 30 years ago. It was nice to have him come home and not fall up the steps anymore.
Congrats to all that give quitting a good name.
I don't believe your research went so far as to having them not remember what they did in the morning. When you get someone that drunk then you'll have to revise your hypothesis.
The dreaded blackout.
That's what I was thinking. Back before I discovered the wonders of smoking pot on a regular basis, I used to drink to the point of blacking out all the time. No, I'm pretty sure I didn't have any desire to bang my head repeatedly into walls while flapping my "wings" because I thought I was going to fly, strip off all my clothes at the party, kick a cop in the balls and then go on & on to the police about how I needed my syringes of weed (?? I don't even know what I was trying to accomplish there), among other stupid outcomes, when I'd go out drinking. Yes, it was my (dumb) decision to drink that much, but my behavior during a blackout went way beyond mere disinhibition and these things I think are purely the effect of the alcohol combined with my admittedly warped brain.
Now I just stick to maintaining a certain level of THC at all times...never have any of these problems, even when drinking I can stick to a reasonable amount and not black out.
And the beauty of a constant THC level is that you are totally unaware of how messed up your thinking has gotten. My brother in law was a perfect example. He could "'control" it. Now probaly homeless and jobless. Haven't heard from him in years and don't know how to contact him.
@sandraboynton - If you haven't heard from him in years and don't know how to contact him how do you know he's jobless and homeless? He could be gainfully employed and living in the suburbs. That was a revelation when I got on Facebook - people who I had never been able to find, people who were serious messes many years ago, who I had spent years wondering if they even survived, turned up fit, happy, sober and wiser, with kids, grandkids, jobs.