White baby born to black parents

A Nigerian couple just got quite a surprise: Angela Ihegboro gave birth to a white baby with blue eyes and curly blond hair, reports The Sun, a British tabloid.

"Actually, the first thing I did was look at her and say, 'What the flip?'" says Ben Ihegboro, the baby's father, who came to Britain with his wife five years ago and now lives in South London with their two other children. He says infidelity is out of the question. "My wife is true to me. Even if she hadn't been, the baby still wouldn't look like that."

The baby, which the couple named Nmachi, is not an albino, doctors say. Ben Ihegboro says his mother has a fairer shade of skin, "but we don't know of any white ancestry. We wondered if it was a genetic twist. But even then, what is with the long curly blond hair?"

It's an unusual case, but it's not unheard of. Skin and eye color are determined by melanin, and the amount or type of melanin is controlled by about a dozen different genes, as Bryan Sykes, an Oxford University professor of human genetics, told the tabloid. For the Ihegboros, Nmachi's blue eyes and blond hair must be the result of a trace of white ancestry from each of her parents' genes.

"In mixed race humans, the lighter variant of skin tone may come out in a child -- and this can sometimes be startlingly different to the skin of the parents," Sykes told The Sun. "This might be the case where there is a lot of genetic mixing, as in Afro-Caribbean populations. But in Nigeria there is little mixing."

Nmachi and her family have good company: In 2008, a set of twins -- one black, one white -- was born to a German couple (the mother is black, the father is white). Also that year, a British mixed race couple gave birth to their second set of twins with different colored skin. And just last week, the British tabloid the Mirror reported that a mixed-race woman gave birth to a set of twins -- she was so sure the babies would have different skin tones that she nicknamed them Salt and Pepper. (The mother is dark-skinned, and the father is white.)

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That is awesome

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#1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:41 PM EDT

So... we're reporting tabloid articles as news now?

You know my wife had children with her alien abductor last month. It's really bumming me out.

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#1.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:56 PM EDT

Or they're just reporting it. This is the appropriate section of the site for it. It's a big internet mang.

    #1.2 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:58 PM EDT

    It look like somebody was . . . until I see some DNA results.

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    #1.3 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:25 PM EDT

    Ham

    I can tell you dont get out much the SUN is a tabloid. And if you had intelegents the gene side of this would intrest you just the same

      #1.4 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:19 PM EDT
      VedavyasDeleted

      Adam and Eve were white? What a joke! If you believe in the Bible they would have to be of color because you can not get color from no color biologically. If you have melanin originally, there can be some mutation to remove or significantly decrease the melanin and thus get white but if you don't have melanin it can not be magically added to produce color. Keep in mind that most people of the world are races of color, the minority are without. If Adam and Eve were white it would seem to reason that most of the world would be Euro looking or Caucasian.

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      #1.6 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:56 AM EDT

      I would really suggest a paternity test - just to be sure. This sounds a little bizarre since they come from a country where there has been very little racial mixing.

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      #1.7 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:27 PM EDT

      You would think that they would do DNA testing to determine the idenity first , babys can get mixed up in the hospital. I do know a couple in the virgin islands that this happened to. the baby was theres.

        #1.8 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:20 AM EDT

        its true..thats awesome how genetics work.

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        #1.9 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:47 AM EDT

        if this is not tabloid, and saying if it isnt, i say she cheated on him, plus genetics, and women, dont hit on me for this, not every woman is like this, but there are some women that will go around and cheat on their husbands, and i say only women because of the pregnancy part, but again, it could be a rare genetic thing, but who knows, people today do strange things

          #1.10 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:50 PM EDT

          and if it is a tabloid, who cares, people are commenting on this anyways, genetics is an interesting thing, there could be two blue eyed parents and have a brown eyed child, either the mother or father or both have the recessive or dominant gene for blue or brown eyes, and if its not because of genetics, i sorta feel sorry for the husband being with her, if she is going behind him, im sorry for the guy, i mean seriously, how is it fun to have an affair or be unfaithful

            #1.11 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:02 PM EDT

            I agree with you dan, saphire234, CNJ Mom, tuyamayk (and a few others here), DNA and genetics aside, GOD is capable of doing anything 'He' sees fit to do, and that includes blowing the human mind (limited access of knowledge of God's ways is quite evident I see). Whatever the 'truth' is congrats to the happy couple.

              #1.12 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:12 PM EDT

              and even if this is a tabloid, stuff like this does happen, women going behind their loved ones and end up having a baby that doesnt seem to belong to the husband, and y'all women out there will read this and reply back at this negatively, im not saying that every woman does this, but there are some that will do it, it happens, and we just have to deal with it, i know us guys do it too, but we dont have to worry about ending up having a baby that is different from the both of them

                #1.13 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:16 PM EDT

                I think that God is capable to make anything happen. Why people always have to assume that the woman cheated on her husband. Yeah its better to be safe than sorry and have a dna done. It could be anything like the hospital mixed the babies up at the hospital or it truely is their child. People cant always assume that the woman had an affair just because the baby is of a different color. God aaawwweeess the world all the time. He does work in mysterious ways.

                  #1.14 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:42 PM EDT

                  i think thisis a sign from god lke what if thi sbaby is the anti-christ being born likr think about it

                    #1.15 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:20 PM EDT

                    All you guys that say there's something to do with Adam and Eve and "God" are complete morons. First off, that woman is probably a whore just like most others, chances are she cheated on her husband, I mean hell it happens all the time, people need to quit being so ignorant. And hey, people CAN assume the woman had an affair BECAUSE the baby is of different color. This case is unheard of, and hey, what black people are born with blond, curly hair; NONE. Mothers a whore, God and Adam and Eve simply aren't real, people that believe in such garbage is only because to give themselves hope that after you die things will be okay. Sorry guys, there is no heaven, there is no hell, the center of the earth is f**kin molten lava and the "heavens", guess what people. it's just clouds, don't be so stupid. Religion is like disease that spreads like the plague, brainwashing any who fall for it. For example, my mother has bipolar and all sorts of other mental problems, she claims god 'spoke through her' but guess what, she was sent to the mental hospital for it because the correct term for believing something that simply has no proof of existence AT ALL- pretty much means your crazy... some of you are pathetic with your philosophies on how this baby was born and how life started out. Listen to SCIENTISTS, people that actually do studies for this exact reason; don't fall for garbage that comes out of a priests mouth that only rapes little altar boys.

                      #1.16 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:45 PM EDT

                      try and study the genetics and u will know that black gene is dominant and white gene is recessive and u can get white from black and not black from white unless from sexual intercourse or sperm donations this is real not about tabloid papers

                        #1.17 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:32 PM EDT

                        Personally, I don't care. Nigeria is the scam capital of the world!

                        The mother probably slept with a white man.

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                        #1.18 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:54 PM EDT

                        I agree w/Charles. Everythng that we need to know about this "phenomena" began w/Adam & Eve. All of the races of human began w/them, so genetically speaking, their DNA represents all colors of humans.

                          #1.19 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:59 PM EDT

                          WHOA!!! Hey Washington!!! Isnt it time for your therapy session? You'd better get going. We will be here when you get back, Dude!

                            #1.20 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:06 PM EDT

                            Rosebud check your genetics book. Whatever eye or skiin color that is in your genetic makeup can manifest at anytime. Heres an idea I havent hear anyone express: Maybe they switched the baby in the hospital!!!! Huh? Huh? That baby is NOT mixed-race; she is a caucasian. Not even Aboriginals are that blond nor that white.

                              #1.21 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:15 PM EDT

                              if it was switched in the hospital then why arent some other white couple complaining of having a black kid.i think ill stick with the idea of dna test to be certain.Even though alot of strange things are happening lately.

                                #1.22 - Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:52 AM EDT

                                Hey, somebody get over to Washington's house and sedate him before he hurts others.

                                  #1.23 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 1:07 PM EDT
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                                  We're all alike underneath our skin.....

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                                  #2 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:42 PM EDT

                                  True. This proves that all humans originally came from one set of parents. Adam & Eve.

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                                  #2.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:44 PM EDT

                                  so were all just one big happy incestuous family?

                                    #2.2 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:07 PM EDT

                                    WOW Tuyamayk you're such a moron!

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                                    #2.3 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:06 PM EDT

                                    Black babies are born with fairly light skin, and then darken. This case is, I believe a facade.

                                    Adam and Eve were of ruddy colored skin (caucasian). Black, Asian, the other races were on the earth long before the caucasian race. They were not born from Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were not the first humans on the earth.

                                    No two blue eyed parents can have a brown eyed child.

                                    Two brown eyed parents can have a blue eyed/blond child....I know both my sons are blond and blue eyed, while my husband and I are both brunette/brown eyes, but fair skin. We do have European heritage.

                                      #2.4 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:12 PM EDT

                                      if you go by the adam and eve theory what were there skin tones? black and white? or as the church says both were white? either way we are all from the same form of beings wether it be apes or created.

                                        #2.5 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:30 PM EDT

                                        We could throw anything out there... maybe they were both tanned and as people moved to different places and climates and married people who looked similar to them (darker with darker, and lighter with lighter) then came differend races. But im sure if it was of any real importance it might have been mentioned in the Bible. Clearly we as people have put way more of an emphasis on ones physical attributes than God wanted. Anyway, is this story even real? haha...

                                          #2.6 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:16 PM EDT

                                          Amen!!

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                                          #2.7 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:26 AM EDT

                                          1. well my philosophy says that the first race were black and from black came all colors, just like the universe from dark to light nothing comes from light everything from dark, Adam and Eve were the fifth human creation, and they were white. before them for for millions of years there were other races of all colors the white race were the last race, and they were created not naturally they were done with techknowledge much more advanced then today. well i can go but that will be a book and maybe other things that we of today are not ready for but the scientist, the catholic churches and others with knowledge already know all this, it will all come to light in next couple decades.

                                            #2.8 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:33 AM EDT

                                            could this be a recessive gene that dates way back to slavery days...? if they are from nigeria (africa) isn't that where it all began...? Maybe some body had children with a slavedriver on both sides who passed as black kids and it has remained secret, therefore the no knowledge of white ancestry...am just saying it's a possibility.

                                              #2.9 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:56 PM EDT

                                              Im puerto Rican and my daughter father was from Haiti. When i gave birth to my daughter she came out white. i couldn't believed my eyes but you know what after the years she turn out to be darker then me and lighter then her father. And it doesn't mater to this couple it's still there baby. In my country theres a phrase.(padre es el que cria no el que lo hace) father is the one that race them not who makes it...meaning that know in days you don't need to have sex with the men.

                                                #2.10 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:08 PM EDT
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                                                They should have a DNA test to make sure there wasn't a mix up at the hospital. This definitely seems a bit odd.

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                                                Reply#3 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:42 PM EDT

                                                Not really odd. It's genetically possible, but rare. No need for DNA testing, as there isn't a white couple with a black baby going WTF?

                                                  #3.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:22 PM EDT

                                                  LOL @ shaintell!!! I was wondering but it seems your right!? Isn't this supposed to be scientifically impossible though? :S :S

                                                    #3.2 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:23 PM EDT

                                                    Lol they see the baby when it comes out of the womb.

                                                      #3.3 - Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:19 AM EDT

                                                      There was a DNA test done and the child is in fact the fathers. The parents have authorized further genetic to check for recessive genes.

                                                        #3.4 - Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:04 AM EDT
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                                                        Why is it that we are continually bombarded with the concept of race? Until humans successfully mate with an alien race, we will always be of the same race. This article simply perpetuates the different race myth!

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                                                        Reply#4 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:44 PM EDT

                                                        half human, half na'vi babies from avatar would be awesome. :)

                                                          #4.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:31 PM EDT

                                                          doesn't look like you'd be able to tell the difference, since avatars are just human dna mixed with na'vi

                                                            #4.2 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:03 PM EDT

                                                            who says we have not?

                                                              #4.3 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:29 AM EDT

                                                              Wow, it's amazing how so many pple will comment telling others they are morons when they can't even use words in the correct context. "There's" and theirs are 2 different words. Theirs describes possessive while there describes location. ie Here and There. Enough English lesson for the day. o,0

                                                              Some of you pple are so closed minded, it's not even funny. It's NOT impossible for a black couple to have an Albino baby. The same recessive gene scenario that happens in some animal species such as Deer does happen in the human race as well.

                                                                #4.4 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:41 PM EDT
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                                                                They should have a DNA test to make sure the baby is theirs. This definitely seems a bit odd.

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                                                                Reply#5 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:45 PM EDT

                                                                They did and it is theirs. This isn't all that uncommon and has in fact happened before. We just live in a more global world and access to the internet makes news like this spread faster.

                                                                  #5.1 - Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:13 AM EDT
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                                                                  Either, as someone pointed out, there was a mix-up at the hospital, or this is going to turn out to be just like that story about that woman who "got pregnant" from watching a porn movie.

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                                                                  Reply#6 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:58 PM EDT

                                                                  I worked in an acute hospital, in the OB/GYN/Newborn Nursery. There are mixups in the hospital...not often, but there are mixups. This is a joke, or a mixup.

                                                                  When I look at the picture...they are not holding, embracing the baby like I would think parents would do with a newborn. This is a setup

                                                                    #6.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:07 PM EDT

                                                                    @Rosebud-They are Nigerian and they had a white baby, of course they don't want to hold it closely like you would a newborn. If I had a black baby I am pretty sure I would not be holding it all lovingly at first, not until I had answers. I know that seems wrong but people are just like that.

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                                                                    #6.2 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:23 PM EDT
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                                                                    Uh.. considering how many stories I have seen in the "news" that ultimately turned out to be a hoax, I'm a bit loath to believe this story.  Eventhen, there is always the chance that it was a mix-up at the hospital.  Finally, there are things like genetic mutations, so it is possible, if highly improbable.

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                                                                    Reply#7 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:02 PM EDT

                                                                    I suspect Anderson Cooper had a hand (and more) in this story.

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                                                                    Reply#8 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:16 PM EDT

                                                                    Anderson is not blonde. Before he went gray/silver - he had brown hair.

                                                                      #8.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:26 PM EDT

                                                                      Ol' Anderson plays for the other team.........................but still a good opponent!!!!!!!!!!!!! Enjoy his reporting.

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                                                                      #8.2 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:34 PM EDT

                                                                      Yeah but he still needs a woman/surrogate if he wants to have kids. He has said before that he wanted a family one day.

                                                                        #8.3 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:37 PM EDT
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                                                                        even if one of the parents was a blond hair blue eyes dane; the child would not be totally blond blue eyes white; a mix up at the hospital, or someone kidnapped a baby!

                                                                          Reply#9 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:22 PM EDT

                                                                          A "mix up" is accidentally picking up someone else's luggage at the baggage claim (many bags look alike, ya know)...this is more along the lines of "Has the cocaine totally destroyed your brain?!"

                                                                          Sounds like tabloid fodder to me.

                                                                            #9.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:32 PM EDT

                                                                            lol

                                                                              #9.2 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:35 PM EDT

                                                                              People, if there were a mixup at the hospital we'd be reading to very similar articles only the other article would be a white couple looking at a black baby!

                                                                                #9.3 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:10 PM EDT
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                                                                                Just Great, the "One World Order" fanatics will love this! As for myself, I don't love it!

                                                                                  Reply#10 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:26 PM EDT
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                                                                                  Who says GOD does not have a sence of humor? Can we all get along? Beside's that (she ) let you live!

                                                                                    Reply#11 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:31 PM EDT
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                                                                                    Tabloid News!!!!!!! enough said!!!!

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                                                                                    Reply#13 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:37 PM EDT

                                                                                    I would definitely want DNA testing done. As I understand it, blue eyes require that both parents pass a recessive blue eye gene to the child. It's rare enough in white couples that aren't blue eyed, almost unheard of in black couples.

                                                                                      Reply#14 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:38 PM EDT
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                                                                                      @JJ-2034730: Different race "myth"? Did you fail basic biology as a teenager?

                                                                                      A cursory examination proves that we're not all the same, even beneath the skin. Brain sizes, skull sizes, genes that influence behavior, susceptibility to disease and more all vary greatly between the races.

                                                                                      The jury is still out on whether or not the intelligence is just another thing that differs between the races. The fact that there are different races has already been well established. I expect the chinese will answer the rest in good time, since we in the west are now too bound by political correctness to do the necessary research. After all, what if it turns out that certain races are more creative and intelligent? An argument against miscegenation if there ever was one. And liberals everywhere would die of heart attacks if that were true, and we cant have that now can we?!

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                                                                                      #15 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:40 PM EDT

                                                                                      What if it turns out that white people are stupid? I mean we already suspect that just from watching COPS and Glenn Beck, but what if they can prove it?

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                                                                                      #15.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:48 PM EDT

                                                                                      What an idiot you are! When your white ancestors were in animal skins, the Chinese and Nubians(Black Africans) had very advanced cultures. Are you Nazi or KKK you douchebag? By the way, you imbecile,I am blonde and blue eyed. Crawl back into your hole you imbecile!

                                                                                        #15.2 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:01 PM EDT

                                                                                        @Portland49 I'm glad at least a few of us paid attention in school! hahaha!

                                                                                          #15.3 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:55 AM EDT

                                                                                          @Mike the Texan....there's a book of anthropology called "The Mismeasurement of Man" That actually disproves that theory...we are pretty much anatomically the same.

                                                                                          The only reason we have different sized brains is because of the amount of protein (because protein builds muscle & the brain is a muscle) that is consumed in a certain populations diet & skull shape is due to how certain societies hold, wrap & cuddle their children

                                                                                          Our cheek bones, jaw lines & brow lines may differ because of adaptation linked to race but no mch else is different....so.....yea....

                                                                                            #15.4 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:59 AM EDT

                                                                                            OK, Miss O'Hara23 I do not even know where to begin. you say that different sized brains are because of different dietary habits because the brain is a muscle blah blah. What biology class did you take? The brain is not a muscle nor does it have any structural relevance to muscle. WOW. Muscles have actin, myosin, Sarcomeres as units. Neurons have axons, dendrites, myelin sheaths, etc etc. They are so far from the same it is astounding. They are not even of the the same tissue type and there are only 4 of those.

                                                                                            After that I cannot take any "science" you have to discuss seriously because you lack a very basic understanding of biology. But i digress....

                                                                                            In regards to Mike the Texan,

                                                                                            While it is extremely taboo, there is in fact growing support of his points. Anyone who cares to do some reading can turn to "Discover magazine presents Origins" summer 2010 and read the article "Who will we be tomorrow?" which is talking about divergent evolution in humans and this exact argument.

                                                                                            While I do not believe any race to be superior to any other, there is no scientific evidence at all to support the idea that we are all the same under the skin. In fact, it would follow the principles of evolution that we are NOT all the same underneath. Evolutionary pressures led to external changes due to different environments, for example higher melanin in response to higher UV doses. It would only follow that these vastly different climates and cultures would produce internal changes to allow people to be best suited to their environment on the INSIDE as well as the OUTSIDE. Yes it is taboo to say this, even in the scientific community. But being taboo does not mean it is false. I would ask anyone to show me the flaws in my logic as I would be happy to discuss it, and no the bible doesnt count.

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                                                                                            #15.5 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:36 AM EDT

                                                                                            Humans have 99.8% of the same genes. 80% of this variation is within ethnicity, 14% is within "race" smh, and 6% is between "races".

                                                                                            we share close 2 a 99% genetic similarity to chimpanzees, gorillas, and extinct species of man.

                                                                                            there is no such thing as "race".

                                                                                            It has been proven that all men descended from an African, most likely an Ethiopian, Eritean, or Somalian. An "Asiatic Black Man".

                                                                                            This is a lesson in genetics. nonwhites can produce a large possiblity of offspring. Whites (particularly "Nordic" europeans) are genetically recessive, and can only produce their phenotype with another white.

                                                                                            The susceptability to genetic assimilation is the cause for most of the white supremacist idiotic posts i've seen on this board today. They see themselves as a different, more evolved "race" and fear "extinction"...When will they learn we are all men...(and women)

                                                                                            have a nice day.

                                                                                              #15.6 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:48 AM EDT

                                                                                              what are you talking about 80 percent is ethnicity and 14 % is race? for this argument they are synonomous.... so then 94% of the differences in humans are between races? besides like you said, we are 99% similar to the great apes, and yet look how important that 1% is, look what a difference that made.

                                                                                              But before you call me a white supremist, I agree with you that we are all men and I do not see any race as inherently better (or worse) than any other.

                                                                                              Also, your lesson in genetics is horrendously flawed. You are assuming that A, being white or being not white is controlled on a single locus that is a dominant/recessive, when in reality it is probably controlled by many many loci some of which are probably co dominant. Also if you actually ever took a genetics class than you would remember those stupid squares where, aha, 2 people with dominant phenotypes have a child with a recessive phenotype! so in your example a white and a non-white, can in fact produce a white! BUT like I said this is not controlled on a single locus, so the effect in real life would be more of a blending between the two parental strands. Also, recessive genes are no more likely to go to extinction than dominant genes, and if I remember correctly they are actually less likely because whatever evolutionary forces are at work would not be able to select against the hidden recessive allele. Redheads breath a sigh of relief.

                                                                                                #15.7 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:05 PM EDT

                                                                                                Aggie,

                                                                                                I said within a particulary ethnicity.

                                                                                                That means that between Anglo Saxons, there is 80% genetic variation in the .2% that you are different.

                                                                                                ONLY 20% of your genes are the same.

                                                                                                for an Anglo Saxon and a Greek

                                                                                                ONLY 14% of your genes are the same.

                                                                                                so only 20% of genetic variation is based on particular subgroups of people.

                                                                                                As for your pummet square, i believe you are correct, but white skin isn't the only factor of being The master "Aryan" race. Straight, blond or light brown hair, blue or green eyes are another 'desired' trait.

                                                                                                facial structure, eye shape, nose shape, lip size are other determinig factors of "race".

                                                                                                if you account for these other physical features, i'm no mathmatician, but there has to be an exponential or factorial based decrease in the probablity that ALL of these features will be in line with the "Aryan race".

                                                                                                Thats what i meant.

                                                                                                  #15.8 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:18 PM EDT

                                                                                                  Oh, recessive genes becoming "extinct"...thats not me, that's white nationalist rhetoric. Just browse stormfront you'll see that pervasive theme.

                                                                                                  So i think you're agreeing with me...That people are subgroups, not 'races' as "race" as far as taxonomy goes is equivalent with "subspecies". There are white dogs, black dogs, big dogs, small dogs...but they are all dogs...to be politically incorrect, "races" are more equivalent to "breeds" than actual races.

                                                                                                  I'm a pretty good problem solver, but no geneticist or mathmatician. I'm just applying my limited knowledge on these concepts to the human understanding of "race". Race and ethnicity as man knows it is NOT biological, but based on phenotype and appearance.

                                                                                                    #15.9 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:32 PM EDT

                                                                                                    While it's immensely amusing that every racist decided to assume that since I'm saying the races are different I must therefore be a white male supremacist(inferiority complexes must abound on msn news), it's also sad that so many people are willfully ignorant.

                                                                                                    I mention superior intelligence and creativity and everyone automatically decides I'm talking about whites. Who were you lot calling a racist again, hmmm? Or maybe you all already believe what I suspect to be true, but just won't admit it to yourselves.

                                                                                                    Though TekKnowledge had his percentages off quite a bit, he was mostly correct and largely made my point for me. The fact that humans are merely a few percentage points away from being chimpanzees should tell you just how much even an 0.1% of genetic difference between races of humans can make. I really feel bad for people who keep spouting the "we're all the same" dogma. Reminds me of people who adamantly insisted that the earth was flat, despite all the evidence saying otherwise.

                                                                                                    You just keep shouting it long enough and maybe it'll come true. Ha.

                                                                                                    As far as racial superiority goes, the mere idea of racial superiority is nonsense. How would you even define it? How fast you can run or how high you can jump(africans)? Intelligence(asians, though do keep in mind we still aren't exactly sure what intelligence is, but I'm going by the best available measure so far - IQ)? Innovative/creative thought(whites)? No race is the best at every everything, and anyone who tells you otherwise is ignorant.

                                                                                                    Everyone should take a moment to read what Aggie993 wrote. The idea that human beings evolved the same on the inside when we didn't on the outside when isolated in vastly different geographical conditions over thousands of years is nothing short of idiotic. Get your heads out of the sand and read a book or two, people. Tibetans evolved their differences from Han Chinese(the biggest one being the ability to live easier at much higher altitudes) in mere centuries, so feel free to laugh at anyone who tells you it would take dozens of millenia.

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                                                                                                    #15.10 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:03 PM EDT

                                                                                                    Mike,

                                                                                                    so true or false...

                                                                                                    have white supremacists or have they not used genetic differences of people to promote their superiority and abuse other "races"??

                                                                                                    its nonsense. The stereotypes have contributed to the global exploitation of people and resources based on skin color.

                                                                                                    Have our standards of beauty, intelligence, and piety NOT been shaped by the ideas of Europeans...

                                                                                                    what is beauty?? "intelligence"?? these people are trying to quantify things that aren't purely quantitative. Its absolutely ridiculous.

                                                                                                      #15.11 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:15 PM EDT

                                                                                                      Thanks for the clarification on the genetic differences in an ethnicity, that is good to know and I see what you meant now. And yea overall I actually completely agree with you. The idea of an aryan race or anything of the sort is just divisive to humanity as a whole, not to mention like you said, the mathematics behind it really just dont work. The whole reason we have genes and sexual reproduction is to create NEW genetic combinations, allowing a greater degree of adaptability to future hardships, not to maintain a so called superior race of very narrow traits. Eventually man will learn to appreciate diversity, rather than condemn it. Take care!

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                                                                                                      #15.12 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:15 PM EDT

                                                                                                      Take Care Aggie...

                                                                                                      Still on Mike,

                                                                                                      Further more, if only 20% of our genetic variance is between races, we look so different, have different bone structure, and there are innovative, athletic, and intelligent people of EVERY race....it should be safe to assume that those factors are NOT based on "race".

                                                                                                      The 3 assumptions you just used are assumptions used to support a global system of white supremacy for over 500 years. In any company you would want the most innovative in charge, the most athletic the brutes, and the most purely intelligent as a buffer between the most crafty and the most physically able.

                                                                                                      You have illustrated the system that has been set up, and continues until this day. It is absolutely disgusting that these stereotypes are justified in books like "the bell curve", etc...People will continue to marginalize asians and patronize blacks until those ideas are EXTERMINATED from human thought completely.

                                                                                                      You have illustrated why I (i can admit it) have an inferiority complex because WHITE PEOPLE have told me i can run and shoot a basket, but not win a scholarship or go on an internship...

                                                                                                      Seriously, i was at a scholarship award for the CS department when i was in college, and one of the administrators ASKED COULD I SET THE TABLES!!!

                                                                                                      This is why blacks are twice as likely to be unemployed than whites, assumed to be morons and affirmative action hires...

                                                                                                      This is why nonwhites are dominated, vandalized, and deceived EVERY DAY!!

                                                                                                        #15.13 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

                                                                                                        Mike from Texas, it might do you some good to watch the PBS three hour documentary called "Race: The Power of an Illusion." you are operating under a definite ill/del-usion!

                                                                                                          #15.14 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:41 PM EDT

                                                                                                          @Tek: Disregarding your massive inferiority complex and idiocy in seeing racism under everything, I think I'll stick to answering the one scientific comment you made.

                                                                                                          "Further more, if only 20% of our genetic variance is between races, we look so different, have different bone structure, and there are innovative, athletic, and intelligent people of EVERY race....it should be safe to assume that those factors are NOT based on "race"."

                                                                                                          If you were being honest, and I have to assume you aren't due to your obvious racial biases - you would know that even your most hardcore racist with a speck of honesty in him will admit that every race has its geniuses and its morons.

                                                                                                          When you're making comparisons between two groups, you look at averages. There are incredibly dumb asians, and incredibly slow africans and very uncreative whites(I could go on and in more detail but I'll just stick to those three for consistency with my earlier post) - but these would be statistical outliers and not the norm. It's called the Bell CURVE for a reason.

                                                                                                          By the way Tek, I'm a college graduate and I've been asked to set tables before too. Or do you think just because you're black you shouldn't have to do a "white man's job?" Does that sound stupid to you? I hope so, because that's exactly what you sound like to me.

                                                                                                          @lol from Nebraska

                                                                                                          I'll stick with facts and science rather than feel-good stupidity that's perpetuated solely in the west by whites who hate themselves and non-whites who see the opportunity for a power grab. I think Jared Taylor sums it up nicely -

                                                                                                          http://www.examiner.com/x-43084-DC-Civil-Rights-Examiner~y2010m7d20-Interview-Race-realist-Jared-Taylor-declares-the-civil-rights-struggle-was-won-long-ago

                                                                                                            #15.15 - Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:17 PM EDT

                                                                                                            ok so all of you people have no life for 1 lmao & 2 i cnt believe how many of u legit are talking crap about these people and there child like you guys have a right yea we all have the right 2 freedom of speech but u guys dnt have the right 2 be @!$%#s and rude maybe there was a mix up at the hospital maybe she did cheat or maybe some in each of there families @!$%#ed a white guy or women and it finual show because of genetics and they had a white baby k another thing tht Washington-2064515 is a ingnorent person who should drop dead =] anywayzs unless u have died and came back and actual can verdify this then bravo boo boo but other then that keep ur ingnorance to your self and another thing this couple right here all of u are bull@!$%#ing on love each other and there child ok and hello what man in any race see a baby that doesnt look there skin or anything hasnt alreadi gotten a dNa TEST so that shows the baby is theres or else they wouldnt have called the new report or any1 who actual did so yeah everyone go one with your lives and grow up n tht ngi mom or w.e her screen name is ..is right we all are the same skin color means nothing we all have the same organs but most of all we all have the same beat 2 our hearts n we have emotions n feelings so stop judge and hating on this family and get alive cause sweeties your familys are probably @!$%# ups and you guys want 2 express your feelins out on here but any who ones again no lives i swear lol oh and 4 another thing 2<washington> you need help and just cause mommy didnt love you or hold you doesnt mean anything and anotherrrr thing my ex boyfriend came out even whiter then his own mother and his father is very very dark and out of all his siblings they all came out looking dark and in his family children come out very fare skined because again it runs in your genes!!!!!!!! so yeah good bye =]

                                                                                                              #15.16 - Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:03 AM EDT
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                                                                                                              I once said my ex-wife would never cheat on me too - that didn't work out so well for me, lol

                                                                                                              But good luck with all that, guy. Be a good dad to the kid, the real one obviously won't be around.

                                                                                                                Reply#16 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:45 PM EDT

                                                                                                                The crazy thing about this story is that an all white couple in the same hospital had a black baby on the same day.

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                                                                                                                Reply#17 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:46 PM EDT

                                                                                                                LMAO!!! That was a good comment. However this baby does look a lot like the mother in her face especially her nose and lips.

                                                                                                                  #17.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:26 PM EDT

                                                                                                                  funny (& I didn't even get it the 1st time around lol)

                                                                                                                    #17.2 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:14 PM EDT

                                                                                                                    You made me laugh.Thank you.

                                                                                                                      #17.3 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:40 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                      Ok. Who are you trying to kid? I'm also in the medical profession and know somethings about genes. The blonde hair and blue eyes are recessive genes. Both of these parents would not give birth to this child even with white ancestry way back when. Maybe a lighter skin tone but not fair skinned with blonde hair and blue eyes. VERY suspicious!! Either the hospital messed up or maybe hanky-panky somewhere?

                                                                                                                      Definitely a DNA test is needed here to make me a believer!

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                                                                                                                      Reply#18 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:46 PM EDT

                                                                                                                      I suggest you go back to school. Medical profession? Unless you are a geneticist dont say never

                                                                                                                        #18.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:13 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                        lol..ok "infidelity is out of the question" umm...ur wife gives birth to a white baby whe both of you are black? sorry buddy...u shld demand a dna test.

                                                                                                                          Reply#20 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:56 PM EDT

                                                                                                                          DNA.....Will tell the TRUE Story....

                                                                                                                            Reply#21 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:24 PM EDT

                                                                                                                            The father was confident when he said that infidelity was out of it........ thats the joke of the century !!!!!

                                                                                                                              Reply#23 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:36 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                              I saw this story, I thougt I was on the Fox news website. I started looking for the "Best Celebrity Bikini Bods" stories that they always run, or the latest gossip about "Pop Tarts".

                                                                                                                              Seriously, though, this reminds me of another couple I heard about.....

                                                                                                                              Mary: "Honest Joe! I have no idea how this happened. I haven't been with anyone else, I swear!"

                                                                                                                              Joseph: "It must be a miracle!"

                                                                                                                                Reply#24 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:40 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                Hilarious Sam! You be da man?

                                                                                                                                Hmm, let me rephrase that! - You're a funny guy!

                                                                                                                                  #24.1 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:33 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                  I thought it went like this:

                                                                                                                                  Mary: Uh, Joseph?

                                                                                                                                  Joseph: Yes?

                                                                                                                                  Mary: You know how we've never had sex?

                                                                                                                                  Joseph: YES.

                                                                                                                                  Mary: Well, uh, I'm pregnant.

                                                                                                                                  Joseph: Jesus Christ!

                                                                                                                                  Mary: Oh, you know about it, too?

                                                                                                                                    #24.2 - Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:47 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                    wow this shows that adam and eve were blacks because it is only a black man who can easily change his or her colour. God is wonderful.

                                                                                                                                      #24.3 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:38 AM EDT

                                                                                                                                      What the heck does any of this have to do with Fox News? People like you just don't get it. Fox News has intelligent commentators who are very well educated. Most of them are lawyers, whether you like lawyers or not is irrelevant. You probably watch Rachel Maddow, who made the stupid remark that the Acorn story was fabricated by Fox News. Really intelligent.....not. Some of you Fox bashers will never get it. There is a reason that Fox news has the highest ratings. An intelligent network appeals to intelligent viewers.

                                                                                                                                        #24.4 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:06 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                                        I'm sorry, but either that kid has an extremely rare thing going on or the mother cheated on her husband with a white man. It cannot be anything else. If I was the father, I'd do DNA testing to make sure.

                                                                                                                                          Reply#25 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:46 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                          Those skin heads in Germany sure know how to send their sperm through the hospital mail.

                                                                                                                                            Reply#26 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:46 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                            Hmmmmmmmmmm, wonder wunder,

                                                                                                                                            I say, ask the mother, except there is a mixup in the Hospital.

                                                                                                                                              Reply#27 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:49 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                              this sounds to good to be true or maybe im just wrong i dont see how a black couple could have a white baby im sorry no way if i was the mom i would demand a DNA test right when the doctor brought the baby to me or whatever and for the father i would do the same thing well good luck we may see u on maury one day lol

                                                                                                                                                Reply#28 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:59 PM EDT
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